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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richy L on December 04, 2012, 09:52:46 am
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Does anyone do this?
We have tried WFP top and bottom, but are getting a few complaints about runs and spots on the downstairs.
Do you trad the bottom?
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Does anyone do this?
We have tried WFP top and bottom, but are getting a few complaints about runs and spots on the downstairs.
Do you trad the bottom?
You will get more spots when the water runs off the top sills onto the tradded windows downstairs.
Wfp tops and rub the water off the sills after rinsing.do all the tops and then start the bottoms.you wont get spots.
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i do tops and bottoms trad, on sat new round a customer said if you are going to use that dont bother she said she was fed up of her previous cleaner leaving her walls and path wet, , had a couple, this usually happens on new rounds where people are not use to you. none of my old customers complain, except one with new leaded windows. i have no bad customers thankfully. you have to give and take a bit, this time of year is different with the water drips turning to ice on there fronts if too cold, you will get a lot of comments saying dump.
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the whole lot wfp, I have confidence in what I do was never going to be an option when I changed over from trad and still isnt unless of course the customer wants to pay extra then I would willingly trad bottoms after, IMO it gives a mixed message but each to their own, theres no right or wrong way. Just a choice
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I personally find it quicker to trad bottoms ;D
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I wfp all tops an trad bottoms on all my houses .
The only reason I don't wfp the lot is I'm operating from my car .
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I mostly wfp tops and trad bottoms but is it quicker to do the lot wfp?
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I mostly wfp tops and trad bottoms but is it quicker to do the lot wfp?
why do you trad bottoms only ?
as I put above we clean everything wfp where possible which is not only IMO better as you wash the frames and glass but quicker.
Would like to here why you guys do this (not picking a fight or going to try and convert you, just interested why.
one person said faster does that mean you dont clean the frames when cleaning down stairs ?
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I mostly wfp tops and trad bottoms but is it quicker to do the lot wfp?
why do you trad bottoms only ?
as I put above we clean everything wfp where possible which is not only IMO better as you wash the frames and glass but quicker.
Would like to here why you guys do this (not picking a fight or going to try and convert you, just interested why.
one person said faster does that mean you dont clean the frames when cleaning down stairs ?
hi ian . i've just noticed the number of posts you have made .. 8000+ you must live on here ... from your no 1 fan
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I do this but i make sure that I do all the top first. Then Trad on bottom windows, starting with first top window I cleaned.
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i wfpoled everything today as i forgot my belt.super high flow rate and i must admit i was mega fast!!much quicker than tradding bottoms and im no slouch with a squeegee.(16 years as trad only).
i do trad the odd ground floor windows but mainly WFP as it is quicker overall.
regards
dazmond
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I mostly wfp tops and trad bottoms but is it quicker to do the lot wfp?
why do you trad bottoms only ?
as I put above we clean everything wfp where possible which is not only IMO better as you wash the frames and glass but quicker.
Would like to here why you guys do this (not picking a fight or going to try and convert you, just interested why.
one person said faster does that mean you dont clean the frames when cleaning down stairs ?
hi ian . i've just noticed the number of posts you have made .. 8000+ you must live on here ... from your no 1 fan
this is my second account fella ;) worst of all, I stopped coming on here for nearly a year too :o
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We WFP tops and trad bottoms for a number of reasons:
1 - Only have a 250ltr tank
2 - Two of us working with a 1 man setup
3 - Only been WFP for 6 months so am breaking it in to each customer slower (trad for 8 years)
My aim is to eventually get a bigger van, with a bigger tank, with a 2 man setup, but as it stands this is how we roll ;D
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I WFP up and down but all ways dry lower sills and door, think it just finishes the job properly. If I am running low on water then trad the bottoms
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I WFP up and down but all ways dry lower sills and door, think it just finishes the job properly. If I am running low on water then trad the bottoms
i do on my very best priced work but not every job
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With respect to you all why the hell would you trad bottoms if you do it shows a lack of confidence in WFP and been a bit scared that custy wants downstairs windows without left water on .
Of which had one custy who wanted me to blade water off guess what dumped !!
And it take 2.5 times as long cleaning trad , Dazmond you carry 350 ltrs of water surely you can get a good days work with that amount of water. ;) ;). Mike
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just pole everything, the sooner you do the better
,if they complain ask them to make sure your complaint is reasonable this should kill ocd people, ie a spot on a window or 1x bead on a window is within reason, its very unlikly that EVERY single window is finished to a poor standard also remind the customer what his or hers windows looked like before you started , and explain there is a limit to what we can do for the price and that you hope they feel the job is satisfactory i always got a yes at least from customers who actually wanted a window cleaner
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Ian, To be honest I don't think there's a lot in it speed wise, wfp certainly isn't 2.5 x faster. No I don't clean the frames downstairs but my customers were all trad so they don't expect it. I'm thinking of doing the lot wfp just to see if it is quicker. I quite enjoy doing trad it breaks things up a bit. However should wfp be much quicker I'll probably do that.
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Ian, To be honest I don't think there's a lot in it speed wise, wfp certainly isn't 2.5 x faster. No I don't clean the frames downstairs but my customers were all trad so they don't expect it. I'm thinking of doing the lot wfp just to see if it is quicker. I quite enjoy doing trad it breaks things up a bit. However should wfp be much quicker I'll probably do that.
cheers for the reply.
I have found most are faster for the work we have just odds ones would have been quicker trad but I work as one rule for everybody.or half would have had me back on ladders given half the chance.
Would be interested on what happens when you try it out, could you let us know.?
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Will do Ian
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Damien, You would be quicker if the were doing the upstairs as well. But we're on about wfp top trad bottom
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Exactly wfp the lot versus wfp top trad bottom. I assume the 2 blokes did the whole house trad?
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Maybe not 2.5 x faster on all but that depends on work , In my case i am a hobbit 5ft 2" could never reach most downstairs windows without using ladder or a crate .
Yesterday for instance i was doing houses with porches and bay windows quite tall as well years ago they used to take me 4 to 4 1/2 hrs , they now take 2hrs .
And some other work i was doing large rectangle bay windows about 2.5 mtrs wide at front upstairs and downstairs as well and tall as well and pretty high on the upstairs windows 12 of them to do front only at a guess with 1 man how long ??? . Mike
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Maybe not 2.5 x faster on all but that depends on work , In my case i am a hobbit 5ft 2" could never reach most downstairs windows without using ladder or a crate.
Yesterday for instance i was doing houses with porches and bay windows quite tall as well years ago they used to take me 4 to 4 1/2 hrs , they now take 2hrs .
And some other work i was doing large rectangle bay windows about 2.5 mtrs wide at front upstairs and downstairs as well and tall as well and pretty high on the upstairs windows 12 of them to do front only at a guess with 1 man how long ??? . Mike
And this is the most important consideration with this upstairs WFP, downstairs trad speed debate. I'm a little taller than you Mike at 5'7" in your money, and I can't reach the top of the windows without steps or a crate. ( Using a crate is quicker but just doesn't look professional IMO). My son is 7" taller than I am and with his longer reach as well doesn't need to stand on anything for average windows.
For me it will take 2.5 times longer to do the downstairs tad than it does wfp.
Included in the time comparison is putting the WFP equipment away and getting out the trad equipment to do the bottoms.
For me its a no brainer, but if I didn't have a van and couldn't carry much water, then I would have no option but to do the bottoms trad.
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im 6ft 2in and still cant reach all downstairs windows on some of my round! ;D ;D ;D ;D
for most work it is easier,faster and better to WFP all windows but trad still comes in handy for tight space work or certain areas where you dont want to leave water lying around like certain inside porches,doorways etc.
i always have a pouch on my belt with a few cloths in and its easy to add my boab and a bottle on a belt if needed for some trad work.
for instance i have some jobs where i have to climb on very large flat roof extensions and its much easier to trad the windows above and of course inside windows!
certain commercial jobs also are easier using trad methods rather than dragging hose around.
use both by all means depending on the job but overall WFP is better and faster!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
dazmond
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Dazmond why dont you just take pole up onto flat roof extensions thats what i do . I use a telescopic ladder for access and i can carry pole in one hand and collapsed tele ladder from truck and back very easily. Mike
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It's got to be quicker to go and trad on top of flat roofs rather than take a pole and hose up a ladder
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It's got to be quicker to go and trad on top of flat roofs rather than take a pole and hose up a ladder
it is
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Oh no its not . Cant see how :P :P. Mike
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For a start you'll get up the ladder quicker on the glass quicker, no frames either trad.
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Its a lot quicker to take your pole onto a flat roof and clean.
Just extend the pole and leave it sitting on the ground with the top sitting
3 or 4 ft. over the flat roof.
Climb up onto the roof and pull the pole up.
Allow enough spare hose at the bottom of the ladder to reach where you need to
work.
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when i got my 1st van mount several years ago i still tradded the bottoms, this was a throw back from working with a trolley were water usage was an issue.
When I started to wfp the whole house I noticed a significant time saving on the job.
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Not saying its hard to get the pole up but why you're turning round to pull it up I'll be on the first window. Not saying there's much in it but imo I think trad is quicker.
I use wfp a tool just same as trad, if trads quicker I won't use the pole
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taking into account you will need to go back to van to get trad gear or carry trad gear and wfp whilst doing 99.9% wfp just cant see how .
If you are wfp then you clean all the frames as standard so why give custy a lack of service by skipping frames doing trad on flat roofs . Mike
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Why doesn't anyone trad tops and WFP bottoms. No drips!