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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: John Geurkink on November 26, 2012, 02:55:33 pm
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What many know as OP in the UK is not the same as we now have here, The Trinty CM https://store.trinityrenewalsystems.com/image/cache/data/trinity/trinity-right-500x500%20-%20Copy-500x500.jpg (https://store.trinityrenewalsystems.com/image/cache/data/trinity/trinity-right-500x500%20-%20Copy-500x500.jpg)
is designed quite a bit different, it has three speeds and here is a video of the difference in what a CM does over a Oreck, Challenger, Orbot or a Floormac for that matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U17Dg0rcHQ&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U17Dg0rcHQ&feature=plcp)
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John I will tell you what as i must have about 12 different machines now :o
Send me one over and I will test it out next year with Jamie against all the other OP/Rotarys, in front of 50 other cleaning companies, if its that good then i will buy it and get you more customers in the UK , if its just on par with the others then I will post it back and we are quits.
Simples :D
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If I sell any to the UK it will be through Nick and while this may SOUND arrogant, it really isn't but there is no comparison between the Trinity Series machines and the old style OP, that is simply a fact. I have to work out the 230 volt and pump issue and maybe Nick and I can get one in your hands, NOTHING do I like more than these machines being put head to head with the others.
I know all the OP machines like the back of my hand, owned and used them all, every one except the Floormac, and the quality of clean, speed of clean, is not even comparable.
I know it sounds like bragging, but this has been my life's work, not something I just started doing.
Here is how the Trinity Machines came about.. like it or not, this is just the facts.
http://trinityrenewalsystems.com/our-company/history/why-call-it-the-trinity/ (http://trinityrenewalsystems.com/our-company/history/why-call-it-the-trinity/)
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Do you mean Nick from Solutions
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In your link it says it should have 3 heads, do you mean 3 different heads,
or 3 as in a Cimex type 3 head ?
would be nice to see pics of the underside (business end) of the machine
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Mossy,
I'd be interested in seeing the Trinity, you never know we might both get converted, sell our TM's and all the other cleaning parphenial we have and become certified Encappers. ;D
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John
Is the handle on the trinity extendable as it seems everyone is hunched over it. Not Good posture for us tall guys.
Mark
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Isn't this just trickery with the dot pattern, as on this Orbot demo it looks alot better;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuM5YBQsF9g
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Yes, Paul - I think he means Nick@Solutions.
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Ash have you ever seen Nick and John in the same room :)
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I can't see the sprayborg people advertising at the top of the page being too chuffed at a competitor getting all this free airtime. ???
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John
You could try dragons den or why not contact numatic or dowding and plummer and get it built under licence they know a thing or two about circular motion (think rug doctor ;))
Simon
Changed to DF ;D
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John, I have in the past read your posts on some of the American forums and I appreciate that you know your onions when it comes to OP cleaning. I'm curious as to whether you have been over to the UK to showcase your machine, and to try it on some of the wool carpets that we encounter on a regular basis here? Or if that is a plan for the future?
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I think Len and Eric Bristow speak the same language.
Len can you phone me then im a celebrity comes on and translate please :)
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Ash dont get too bogged down with wool and synth, a filthy carpet is a filthy carpet and will all clean roughly the same.
I think the UK guys are a bit more switched on though than the guys from the States :D
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I think Len and Eric Bristow speak the same language.
Len can you phone me then im a celebrity comes on and translate please :)
;D
As it happens, Eric Bristow reminds me of Dave Ingram for some reason!
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You mean he talks a load of gribble ;D
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I think we may get a lot more range of textiles to clean over here which obviously becomes more challenging compared to state side.
Shaun
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Isn't this just trickery with the dot pattern, as on this Orbot demo it looks alot better;
I love that first line in the video, "Hoss was designed to give you the right amount of oscillation" Yes where did they get that from??? LOL
They got that from CCSOP my old company. Nothing new in that orbit, same as my old op machines. Even the counterbalance is the same. No new technology, I guess they thought no one would know. No, not any trickery at all, just a different pattern of circles is all. Ever think why a guy would patent what has been out there for decades? LOL ::)
In your link it says it should have 3 heads, do you mean 3 different heads,
or 3 as in a Cimex type 3 head ?
(https://store.trinityrenewalsystems.com/image/cache/data/brushes/Grout%20Brush%20Trinity-228x228.jpg)
Grout and Tile Head Grit II Brush
(https://store.trinityrenewalsystems.com/image/cache/data/brushes/pad%20driver%20Trinity-228x228.jpg)
Pad Driver Brush
(https://store.trinityrenewalsystems.com/image/cache/data/Parts/rugbeater-228x228.jpg)
Rug beater Head
Mossy,
I'd be interested in seeing the Trinity, you never know we might both get converted, sell our TM's and all the other cleaning parphenial we have and become certified Encappers.
Sure wouldn't be the first time!
I can't see the sprayborg people advertising at the top of the page being too chuffed at a competitor getting all this free airtime.
Like I said, I don't even sell to the UK yet... besides if you only knew the ride they had on us, you probably wouldn't worry about it.
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I think Len and Eric Bristow speak the same language.
Len can you phone me then im a celebrity comes on and translate please :)
;D
As it happens, Eric Bristow reminds me of Dave Ingram for some reason!
So thats where Dave has dissapeared to ;D
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Is it just me or do all the American suppliers sound the same. Bashing each others products. Mines better than yours. I was the first to...................................................
John - And is the height adjustable?
Mark
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I can't see the sprayborg people advertising at the top of the page being too chuffed at a competitor getting all this free airtime. ???
...or those doing their best to keep quiet.
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I'll give ya this Mark, I am not full of fluff, so I tell you what is, research me and find out if everything I have said isn't right on the mark.
I haven't bashed Hruby/Orbot, I just told you what is...
The handle has several adjustments, I am 6'4" and like it low, others clean with it way up, it is adjustable for preference.
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Is it just me or do all the American suppliers sound the same. Bashing each others products. Mines better than yours. I was the first to...................................................
John - And is the height adjustable?
Mark
Could not agree more Mark, remember Greenie always banging on, used to get on my nerves.
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John, while I'm sure your machine is a fantastic bit of kit, I can't help but think that your going about approaching this market in the wrong way.
The known and trusted suppliers who frequent this forum are popular for the advice (often unbiased) and expertise they offer, and if it weren't for the fact that they have such good reputations, you wouldn't know they were suppliers at all.
The LM vs HWE debate goes on without it being forced by a (potential) supplier.
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Is it just me or do all the American suppliers sound the same. Bashing each others products. Mines better than yours. I was the first to...................................................
John - And is the height adjustable?
Mark
Could not agree more Mark, remember Greenie always banging on, used to get on my nerves.
Softly softly catchy monkey with a padding machine.
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It's the evangelical zeal that irks me, as if we are all ignorant of what's going on in the real carpet cleaning world. Most of us already use encap to some degree or other so know the benefits and drawbacks so don't need to be preached to.
Simon
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[bI reckon it's a pretty fair bet that the vast majority of newbies who start with an LM system did so because it was the cheapest option. A few hundred quid and hey presto, you're a carpet cleaner. If LM is all you have seen, or know then what you will see when you clean a carpet is a cleaner carpet, not a clean carpet.
The problem is that operating LM only severely restricts the markets you can operate in. We did a very greasy restaurant yesterday that you wouldn't stand a cat in hells chance of doing with LM. We do tens of thousand of pounds of similar work every year and if we only did LM we wouldn't have that source of revenue and in this economic climate it's not a good idea to exclude yourself from markets that you would otherwise be able to do, if only you had you the equipment.
Most professional carpet cleaners have the means to clean any carpet regardless of the level of soiling, or circumstances and sometimes LM fits the bill, but if you operate on the basis that it is your job to provide your customers with the very best quality then you'd use LM very little, as do I.][/b]
Still sounds more like defending the big purchases to me Simon. JMHO
You have your mind made up, to now knock the guy with something different.
Maybe that is where we picked up the whole "Simon says" thingy here in the states....
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Maybe that is where we picked up the whole "Simon says" thingy here in the states....
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1353997474_roflmao.gif)
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John,
I don't need to defend the big purchase as you put it. I've had Truck Mounts in all their various forms majority if my thirty six years in the business and have managed to build one of the most successful carpet cleaning businesses in the country. I've done that by providing top quality carpet cleaning to each and every client, large or small and by having the means to clean any carpet in any location, regardless of age or condition. Carpet cleaning is not just about one machine or technique and believing blindly that it and only it can deal with the vast array of carpets that come your way, because to believe that means you will never truly serve your customer interests and sell them short of what they deserve which is top quality carpet cleaning regardless of what you have to do to produce it.
I've been in this business long enough to know that there isn't one piece of machinery, chemical or technique, that takes you from merely surviving to becoming successful, it's your attitude that does that, an attitude that strives to find better ways of doing things, new techniques, new chemicals, so you will have to excuse me for finding it extremely irritating to have someone come along who's trying to say, Hang on there, everything you've learned and know about carpet cleaning is irrelevant, all you need is my machine because it is the future.
Have a nice day
Simon
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Got to read the whole post Simon, I never said this is the only way to clean, maybe that is what you want to read, but what I have said is it is a way to skin a cat and skin it well.
It is another approach, not the only approach.
But when you disagree with what the machine will do, and BTW have not used it, your sarcasm comes up.
When you tell me what you do in YOUR business I have no reason to doubt it, and good for you, 36 years and a great business, yet when I explain what we do (38 years and a great business) then it becomes a problem.
I have had a cimex, 10-12 OP's rotaries, Crb's, Tm, porties and I have a years running each, yet I prefer something "different" from you for "different" reasons.
I do not understand why that offends you..
I appreciate your being confident in your methods, however so am I.
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John,
I have to say that I hugely admire people like you, the innovators, the people who strive to find the next step forward and without whom all of us who benefit from those endeavours without raising a finger would not have seen all of the developments within the industry that we all just take for granted. So hats off to you and those like you.
And I do mean that.
Simon
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Thank you Simon and I look forward to spirited debates, ones we BOTH can learn from.
John G.