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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: martin clarke on October 18, 2012, 07:23:42 pm
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
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I think the paid course is mostly practical, and the other is theory and H&S based
just my thoughts haven't done either
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3 years ago I paid I think £360 ish for 2 days at Ionics ... 1 day WFP and 1 day trad ........... best money I spend well apart from George systems at £50
plus tax deductable ;)
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why dont you see if impact 43 have any courses near you
i have just finished my city and guilds with them it was a very good overall course ;D ;D
Paul
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and he still hasn't got it right ;D
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why dont you see if impact 43 have any courses near you
i have just finished my city and guilds with them it was a very good overall course ;D ;D
Paul
Thanks Paul. I am on the course with Impact 43 was just wondering what the differences where and if no ajor ones, why would you pay for a course.
email me I might have a few contacts Erith Belvedere and Abbey wood. I get asked now and then if I can do some cleaning when I come back down.
Martin
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You should pay because if it's fully funded it means someone else has to pay. I suppose it comes down to a question of conscience
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But over the course of many years at work, I've paid a fair whack into the pot that the funding will be taken out of. I'm not concerned about the paying for training but are there big enough differences to make me pay for a course that the government are happy to pay for.
Sorry if thats getting a bit deep.
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You should pay because if it's fully funded it means someone else has to pay. I suppose it comes down to a question of conscience
what utter garbage
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3 years ago I paid I think £360 ish for 2 days at Ionics ... 1 day WFP and 1 day trad ........... best money I spend well apart from George systems at £50
plus tax deductable ;)
+1 as above
and just done impact 43
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Perhaps it is garbage, next time someone close to you can't get treatment on the NHS or perhaps you've got a son in Afghanistan without the the right life saving kit because if armed forces cutbacks then will it seem like garbage? I'm not judging anyone for taking handouts but its not for me.
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who"s paying for this add ;D ;D ;D
mmm
i wonder who does window cleaning training coarses
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Perhaps it is garbage, next time someone close to you can't get treatment on the NHS or perhaps you've got a son in Afghanistan without the the right life saving kit because if armed forces cutbacks then will it seem like garbage? I'm not judging anyone for taking handouts but its not for me.
ive been working for nearly thirty years and have more than paid into the system
like the vast majority..i have never claimed a penny in benefits so you will excuse me if i dont give a monkeys
toss about your opinion if i take or dont take up a offer of a funded course that could benefit me.
hardly a handout far as im concerned...ive more than earned it if i decide i want to take it up
stick to cleaning windows mate...you are making a sweeping generalisation with little
or no imformation on if or how much people have contributed and generally asked for
nothing or little in return.
in other words you are talking b******s ;D
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Perhaps it is garbage, next time someone close to you can't get treatment on the NHS or perhaps you've got a son in Afghanistan without the the right life saving kit because if armed forces cutbacks then will it seem like garbage? I'm not judging anyone for taking handouts but its not for me.
ive been working for nearly thirty years and have more than paid into the system
like the vast majority..i have never claimed a penny in benefits so you will excuse me if i dont give a monkeys
toss about your opinion if i take or dont take up a offer of a funded course that could benefit me.
hardly a handout far as im concerned...ive more than earned it if i decide i want to take it up
stick to cleaning windows mate...you are making a sweeping generalisation with little
or no imformation on if or how much people have contributed and generally asked for
nothing or little in return.
in other words you are talking b******s ;D
Gary, if you want it mate then go for it.
I wouldn't think any less of you for doing so
Just saying why it's not for me.
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
???
I have noted that the FWC has listed their training courses
A one-day IOSH (Institution of Occupational Safety and Health) Accredited Health and Safety Course.
Risk Assessment for window, gutter & facade cleaning from FWC
£370 in total and I am aware discounted for members
My issue as a member and former committee executive
Is the QCF Level 1 & 2 qualification provides more and is funded.
I have raised my concern several times with the FWC and chairman why don't the FWC advertise the benefits of the QCF to members in an equal presentation, both on its website and window talk
There was a post about the FWC recently and I plan to comment on Bryan Dolby's post
DG Cleaning, I respect your views, however at any time there is a post concerning Impact43 and funded training you vent your anger at there being a waste of tax payers money, quoting armed forces and NHS
I would like to add my comments if I may,
Funded training generates and income, we employ a number of staff, they pay tax, we pay tax
Petrol, we spend around £25,000 in petrol delivering the course across the country, look up how much of that goes to the tax man
VAT on everything we buy for the courses, hotel rooms, they employ staff to cater for functions, those they buy coffee from, etc etc
We pay corporate tax, individual partner tax, we buy and run cars, again tax, the college employs a large workforce, and so on, I can assure you a great deal of the fund goes back to its source.
Second point, My son recently came out of the armed forces, served as an infantry soldier so am more than aware of some of the pressure, lack of kit, etc, are you aware of the MOD budget and spend and the waste and false accounting and loss of equipment that disappears. Also on a personally note I dont feel we should be involved in in the first place in various conflicts we are drawn into.
Lastly we spend millions on industry related NHS bills as a result of industry related accidents and on going treatment
I would like to add one final point and a question, as someone passionate about not waisting tax payers money you have a statutory obligation if you use ladders or waterfed pole to be trained, can you put copies of your Certs up for us to see, what training have you committed to.
I dont see the course we run as a waste of tax payers money, I see it as vital to bring our industry forward, get people working safely, provide them with information and knowledge so they can make sensibly decisions on a day to day
basis. Give up four days of your time and see for yourself. Reagrds Andy Willis
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
???
I have noted that the FWC has listed their training courses
A one-day IOSH (Institution of Occupational Safety and Health) Accredited Health and Safety Course.
Risk Assessment for window, gutter & facade cleaning from FWC
£370 in total and I am aware discounted for members
My issue as a member and former committee executive
Is the QCF Level 1 & 2 qualification provides more and is funded.
I have raised my concern several times with the FWC and chairman why don't the FWC advertise the benefits of the QCF to members in an equal presentation, both on its website and window talk
There was a post about the FWC recently and I plan to comment on Bryan Dolby's post
DG Cleaning, I respect your views, however at any time there is a post concerning Impact43 and funded training you vent your anger at there being a waste of tax payers money, quoting armed forces and NHS
I would like to add my comments if I may,
Funded training generates and income, we employ a number of staff, they pay tax, we pay tax
Petrol, we spend around £25,000 in petrol delivering the course across the country, look up how much of that goes to the tax man
VAT on everything we buy for the courses, hotel rooms, they employ staff to cater for functions, those they buy coffee from, etc etc
We pay corporate tax, individual partner tax, we buy and run cars, again tax, the college employs a large workforce, and so on, I can assure you a great deal of the fund goes back to its source.
Second point, My son recently came out of the armed forces, served as an infantry soldier so am more than aware of some of the pressure, lack of kit, etc, are you aware of the MOD budget and spend and the waste and false accounting and loss of equipment that disappears. Also on a personally note I dont feel we should be involved in in the first place in various conflicts we are drawn into.
Lastly we spend millions on industry related NHS bills as a result of industry related accidents and on going treatment
I would like to add one final point and a question, as someone passionate about not waisting tax payers money you have a statutory obligation if you use ladders or waterfed pole to be trained, can you put copies of your Certs up for us to see, what training have you committed to.
I dont see the course we run as a waste of tax payers money, I see it as vital to bring our industry forward, get people working safely, provide them with information and knowledge so they can make sensibly decisions on a day to day
basis. Give up four days of your time and see for yourself. Reagrds Andy Willis
Great post.
Art
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
???
I have noted that the FWC has listed their training courses
A one-day IOSH (Institution of Occupational Safety and Health) Accredited Health and Safety Course.
Risk Assessment for window, gutter & facade cleaning from FWC
£370 in total and I am aware discounted for members
My issue as a member and former committee executive
Is the QCF Level 1 & 2 qualification provides more and is funded.
I have raised my concern several times with the FWC and chairman why don't the FWC advertise the benefits of the QCF to members in an equal presentation, both on its website and window talk
There was a post about the FWC recently and I plan to comment on Bryan Dolby's post
DG Cleaning, I respect your views, however at any time there is a post concerning Impact43 and funded training you vent your anger at there being a waste of tax payers money, quoting armed forces and NHS
I would like to add my comments if I may,
Funded training generates and income, we employ a number of staff, they pay tax, we pay tax
Petrol, we spend around £25,000 in petrol delivering the course across the country, look up how much of that goes to the tax man
VAT on everything we buy for the courses, hotel rooms, they employ staff to cater for functions, those they buy coffee from, etc etc
We pay corporate tax, individual partner tax, we buy and run cars, again tax, the college employs a large workforce, and so on, I can assure you a great deal of the fund goes back to its source.
Second point, My son recently came out of the armed forces, served as an infantry soldier so am more than aware of some of the pressure, lack of kit, etc, are you aware of the MOD budget and spend and the waste and false accounting and loss of equipment that disappears. Also on a personally note I dont feel we should be involved in in the first place in various conflicts we are drawn into.
Lastly we spend millions on industry related NHS bills as a result of industry related accidents and on going treatment
I would like to add one final point and a question, as someone passionate about not waisting tax payers money you have a statutory obligation if you use ladders or waterfed pole to be trained, can you put copies of your Certs up for us to see, what training have you committed to.
I dont see the course we run as a waste of tax payers money, I see it as vital to bring our industry forward, get people working safely, provide them with information and knowledge so they can make sensibly decisions on a day to day
basis. Give up four days of your time and see for yourself. Reagrds Andy Willis
well said Andy
Imagine an army, police force, fire brigade etc.. without training and credentials and operating in a gung ho unsafe manner??
As a trade / occupation / profession (which i prefer use).. I know where i want to sit in the market place..
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
???
I have noted that the FWC has listed their training courses
A one-day IOSH (Institution of Occupational Safety and Health) Accredited Health and Safety Course.
Risk Assessment for window, gutter & facade cleaning from FWC
£370 in total and I am aware discounted for members
My issue as a member and former committee executive
Is the QCF Level 1 & 2 qualification provides more and is funded.
I have raised my concern several times with the FWC and chairman why don't the FWC advertise the benefits of the QCF to members in an equal presentation, both on its website and window talk
There was a post about the FWC recently and I plan to comment on Bryan Dolby's post
DG Cleaning, I respect your views, however at any time there is a post concerning Impact43 and funded training you vent your anger at there being a waste of tax payers money, quoting armed forces and NHS
I would like to add my comments if I may,
Funded training generates and income, we employ a number of staff, they pay tax, we pay tax
Petrol, we spend around £25,000 in petrol delivering the course across the country, look up how much of that goes to the tax man
VAT on everything we buy for the courses, hotel rooms, they employ staff to cater for functions, those they buy coffee from, etc etc
We pay corporate tax, individual partner tax, we buy and run cars, again tax, the college employs a large workforce, and so on, I can assure you a great deal of the fund goes back to its source.
Second point, My son recently came out of the armed forces, served as an infantry soldier so am more than aware of some of the pressure, lack of kit, etc, are you aware of the MOD budget and spend and the waste and false accounting and loss of equipment that disappears. Also on a personally note I dont feel we should be involved in in the first place in various conflicts we are drawn into.
Lastly we spend millions on industry related NHS bills as a result of industry related accidents and on going treatment
I would like to add one final point and a question, as someone passionate about not waisting tax payers money you have a statutory obligation if you use ladders or waterfed pole to be trained, can you put copies of your Certs up for us to see, what training have you committed to.
I dont see the course we run as a waste of tax payers money, I see it as vital to bring our industry forward, get people working safely, provide them with information and knowledge so they can make sensibly decisions on a day to day
basis. Give up
i luv you :-*
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Andrew I respect your opinion and it's nice of you to put it across without insults unlike some posts on here.
I'm sure your training is of some use, but I'm not going to undertake it unless I can pay for it. Foolish you may think, but my choice.
Also I may well have a statutory obligation to be trained and show certification in the use of ladders and water fed pole but I'm not going to take training in the safe use of either.
As I've pointed out previously I'd like to see the UK follow a more common sense approach to life in general, I suppose here is where I make my stand if that puts me outside the law then so be it.
When it boils down to it the safe use of ladder or pole then both are fairly simple things to use, I except the ladder is more dangerous than the pole but I bet if most members of clean it up asked themselves honestly if they need training to use either they'd say no, but are mainly doing it to gain certification.
I'm of the opinion if you can't work out the safe use of either then you really are in the wrong industry and the government is wasting its money providing training for it.
Have a good weekend
Ps let all the slating come my way ah ah ;D ;D
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I dont see the course we run as a waste of tax payers money, I see it as vital to bring our industry forward, get people working safely, provide them with information and knowledge so they can make sensibly decisions on a day to day
basis. Give up four days of your time and see for yourself. Reagrds Andy Willis
Oh and it also pays you well via the government funding, Shall we not kid ourselves here ::)
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Imagine an army, police force, fire brigade etc.. without training and credentials and operating in a gung ho unsafe manner??
As a trade / occupation / profession (which i prefer use).. I know where i want to sit in the market place..
Hardly the same is it ?
Army , Police, Fire brigade , Window Cleaner
Spot the Difference
gung ho unsafe manner ;D ;D ;D
You are using a brush on a pole, that is it ::)
I feel for you if you class your work in the same class at the Army ( putting life at risk on tour ) Police ( reasons speak for themselves ) Fire Brigade ( Putting life at risk on shouts )
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James, glad you showed up mate I was beginning To think I was the sole voice of common sense :D
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make that three who think it is a total waste of time.
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Perhaps it is garbage, next time someone close to you can't get treatment on the NHS or perhaps you've got a son in Afghanistan without the the right life saving kit because if armed forces cutbacks then will it seem like garbage? I'm not judging anyone for taking handouts but its not for me.
ive been working for nearly thirty years and have more than paid into the system
like the vast majority..i have never claimed a penny in benefits so you will excuse me if i dont give a monkeys
toss about your opinion if i take or dont take up a offer of a funded course that could benefit me.
hardly a handout far as im concerned...ive more than earned it if i decide i want to take it up
stick to cleaning windows mate...you are making a sweeping generalisation with little
or no imformation on if or how much people have contributed and generally asked for
nothing or little in return.
in other words you are talking b******s ;D
Gary, if you want it mate then go for it.
I wouldn't think any less of you for doing so
Just saying why it's not for me.
im not doing the course actually not really interested,just making the point that i
would feel fully entitled to take up if i so wished.
you wasnt just explaining why it wasnt for you...you were passing judgement
on people.
back peddaling is the only thing worse in my book...than talking b******s ;D
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James, glad you showed up mate I was beginning To think I was the sole voice of common sense :D
back to passing judgement again....cmon make your mind up :D
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Yawn ;D
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Yawn ;D
tired im not surprised with the stressing you do ;D
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I'm probably one of the least stressed people your likely to meet. It comes from having a clear conscience unlike some on here. Off to bed now mate enjoy the rest of your weekend mate ;D
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James, glad you showed up mate I was beginning To think I was the sole voice of common sense :D
It is a Joke, We have someone who sells training telling us all how important and great it is ::) ::) who falls for that ???
Then to make is even Funnier, someone saying that we need training just as much as the Army, Police and Fire do ;D ;D
If I did not know better i would say it is someone making silly posts and then being on a spoof TV program ' A Idiot Window Cleaner '
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James, glad you showed up mate I was beginning To think I was the sole voice of common sense :D
It is a Joke, We have someone who sells training telling us all how important and great it is ::) ::) who falls for that ???
Then to make is even Funnier, someone saying that we need training just as much as the Army, Police and Fire do ;D ;D
If I did not know better i would say it is someone making silly posts and then being on a spoof TV program ' A Idiot Window Cleaner '
dont knock it till youve tried it ... you might actually learn something and change the way you operate...for the best by the sound of you
or i suspect you know its all... or think you do..
Now run along and audition for that tv programme you mentioned ;D ;D
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Has the "idiot window cleaner" just turned up James?
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Has the "idiot window cleaner" just turned up James?
still judging i see ;D
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The course that impact 43 do is very good, some people that go on there like me want to grow their business but don't know enough about H&S to gain bigger jobs, i had to turn down a £300 per month job as i wasn't sure about what was expected of me H&S Method statement wise.
Now that i have done the course i have the informaton and foundations i needed to do ra & ms for the bigger jobs.
So if i did the course earlier i would have got the £300 per month contract which would be an extra £60 in tax paid to hmrc in long run the goverment would get the cost of the course back.
The way i see it is i have paid in since i left school never claimed job seekers or benifits so if i can get a free course why not the thing is a few hundered window cleaners are not going to cost the goverment a fortune.
If these courses STOP one person from failing off a ladder or STOPS a member of the public being hurt it could save the goverment a fortune in disabilty payments or unemployment payments.
Paul ;D ;D ;D to much writing for a sunday mornning
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Has the "idiot window cleaner" just turned up James?
No, it appears he was already here spouting rubbish about how important a worthless " training course " is to Window Cleaners & the industry
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Now run along and audition for that tv programme you mentioned ;D ;D
No need, they have enough with people using Quotes like this
Imagine an army, police force, fire brigade etc.. without training and credentials and operating in a gung ho unsafe manner??
As a trade / occupation / profession (which i prefer use).. I know where i want to sit in the market place..
I have sent This Message to a buddy who has just returned from Afghanistan, At lease he will have a laugh this morning
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The course that impact 43 do is very good, some people that go on there like me want to grow their business but don't know enough about H&S to gain bigger jobs, i had to turn down a £300 per month job as i wasn't sure about what was expected of me H&S Method statement wise.
Now that i have done the course i have the informaton and foundations i needed to do ra & ms for the bigger jobs.
So if i did the course earlier i would have got the £300 per month contract which would be an extra £60 in tax paid to hmrc in long run the goverment would get the cost of the course back.
The way i see it is i have paid in since i left school never claimed job seekers or benifits so if i can get a free course why not the thing is a few hundered window cleaners are not going to cost the goverment a fortune.
If these courses STOP one person from failing off a ladder or STOPS a member of the public being hurt it could save the goverment a fortune in disabilty payments or unemployment payments.
Paul ;D ;D ;D to much writing for a sunday mornning
Agree....FREE training to be able to source and gain the better priced professional work... professional organistions and businesses want professional accountable safe & reliable window cleaning set ups... and will pay for their services....
They dont want idiots ;D ;D ;D....
And for the record i was in the armed forces and so have many a chum who has served not only afghan but many other zones...well before afghan came on the scene...
their response..."mate if you are going to do something...do the training available then do the job right and do it proper"... And my mates are professional soldiers / marines etc..
Now like i said off to that audition 8)
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their response..."mate if you are going to do something...do the training available then do the job right and do it proper"... And my mates are professional soldiers / marines etc..
Now like i said off to that audition 8)
Of course they did ::)
Did you explain to them you have a van with a hose stuck out of the rear attached to a pump and a brush on a pole, then you push a brush up and down on the glass ?
I bet you didn't did you ?
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oh and as i said " No need, they have enough with people like you "
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their response..."mate if you are going to do something...do the training available then do the job right and do it proper"... And my mates are professional soldiers / marines etc..
Now like i said off to that audition 8)
Of course they did ::)
Did you explain to them you have a van with a hose stuck out of the rear attached to a pump and a brush on a pole, then you push a brush up and down on the glass ?
I bet you didn't did you ?
As you view your job so poorly I would hope this is reflected in the prices you charge.
After all you are not classing your self as a professional cleaner so you should only need to earn a unskilled wage £10-15 per hour should be about right ;) ;) ;D ;D
Paul
This is and open forum everyone has an opinion it does not mean they are right or wrong live and let live
or go on the Jeremy Kyle show ;D ;D
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You lot don't half take things personal don't you? :D
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You lot don't half take things personal don't you? :D
Not me just find it funny how people on here react when other members don't agree with them.
They are like old horses with blinkers on and can only see straigh in front and can't see the truck coming from the left ;) ;)
Paul
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their response..."mate if you are going to do something...do the training available then do the job right and do it proper"... And my mates are professional soldiers / marines etc..
Now like i said off to that audition 8)
Of course they did ::)
Did you explain to them you have a van with a hose stuck out of the rear attached to a pump and a brush on a pole, then you push a brush up and down on the glass ?
I bet you didn't did you ?
As you view your job so poorly I would hope this is reflected in the prices you charge.
After all you are not classing your self as a professional cleaner so you should only need to earn a unskilled wage £10-15 per hour should be about right ;) ;) ;D ;D
Paul
This is and open forum everyone has an opinion it does not mean they are right or wrong live and let live
or go on the Jeremy Kyle show ;D ;D
Live and let live eh ?
yet you have formed a opinion of me ( that is incorrect by the way ) because i do not buy into the ' do a pointless course just so i can look good '
i guess you thought safety in numbers as i am not in the herd here ?
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their response..."mate if you are going to do something...do the training available then do the job right and do it proper"... And my mates are professional soldiers / marines etc..
Now like i said off to that audition 8)
Of course they did ::)
Did you explain to them you have a van with a hose stuck out of the rear attached to a pump and a brush on a pole, then you push a brush up and down on the glass ?
I bet you didn't did you ?
As you view your job so poorly I would hope this is reflected in the prices you charge.
After all you are not classing your self as a professional cleaner so you should only need to earn a unskilled wage £10-15 per hour should be about right ;) ;) ;D ;D
Paul
This is and open forum everyone has an opinion it does not mean they are right or wrong live and let live
or go on the Jeremy Kyle show ;D ;D
Live and let live eh ?
yet you have formed a opinion of me ( that is incorrect by the way ) because i do not buy into the ' do a pointless course just so i can look good '
i guess you thought safety in numbers as i am not in the herd here ?
My opinion was based on the way you speak about your unskilled job
Did you explain to them you have a van with a hose stuck out of the rear attached to a pump and a brush on a pole, then you push a brush up and down on the glass ?
Anyway its sunday and i can't be bothered so im going to have a beer and dinner :-* :-*
Paul
Also need to make room for my nvq certificates :-X :-X
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I think for some window cleaners these qualifications give there ego a boost. Rightly or wrongly a large percentage of the population views us as well down the pecking order when it comes to jobs and as a result look down on us. It seems the ones who've got an NVQ in window cleaning look down on those who haven't hence the Jeremy Kyle comment.
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
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Back to Martins original post comment
Why pay for training?
The focus for me was why is the FWC charging over £300 for two courses which the QCF level 1 and level 2 certificate in window cleaning provides and covers to an industry standard qualification. My point does the Federation provide value to members when they are not actively promoting the City and Guilds courses.
Concerning Clean It Up, I would like to think this forum is not just for window cleaners who want to come on line with no ID and slag each other off.
Our industry in much bigger than this, as a trainer for the City and Guilds level 1 and 2 we have window cleaners on the courses from new starters, domestic residential to long standing 30 year plus commercial cleaners, this month I have two window cleaners on the Shard building, rope access level 3 operatives, window cleaners who clean the Gherkin sitting together with new starters and residential cleaners, for the commercial window cleaners the training is vital as their clients are specifying it, so commercial clients are seeing the benefit,
The following article outlines my thoughts and views it in more detail
http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=919
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me n my gang REALLY wanted to go on the Impact course but couldnt cos they are all under 19 yrs ,age limit daft ot what, :( seems theyre gonna have to wait 2 or 3 yrs
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Help! I know I haven't posted many things on here, but why would You pay for a training course when you can book yourself onto a fully funded course.
Are there any particular differences in the course offered here for £185 + vat or the city and guilds version that is fully funded?
???
Back to Martins original post comment
Why pay for training?
The focus for me was why is the FWC charging over £300 for two courses which the QCF level 1 and level 2 certificate in window cleaning provides and covers to an industry standard qualification. My point does the Federation provide value to members when they are not actively promoting the City and Guilds courses.
Concerning Clean It Up, I would like to think this forum is not just for window cleaners who want to come on line with no ID and slag each other off.
Our industry in much bigger than this, as a trainer for the City and Guilds level 1 and 2 we have window cleaners on the courses from new starters, domestic residential to long standing 30 year plus commercial cleaners, this month I have two window cleaners on the Shard building, rope access level 3 operatives, window cleaners who clean the Gherkin sitting together with new starters and residential cleaners, for the commercial window cleaners the training is vital as their clients are specifying it, so commercial clients are seeing the benefit,
The following article outlines my thoughts and views it in more detail
http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=919
Andy i take it you are not off to the "idiot window cleaner audition"?... ;D
I suspect thats a NO becuase you are a professional and treat this industry like a profession and are trying to make it safe and professional.... for that i commend you...
Can i please have my certificate from that funded course nicely laminated please for my business porfolio i take to potential customers... cos it really does sell the sizzle and seal the deal ;D
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Take your head out of his arse Paul ;D ;D ;D
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I think for some window cleaners these qualifications give there ego a boost. Rightly or wrongly a large percentage of the population views us as well down the pecking order when it comes to jobs and as a result look down on us. It seems the ones who've got an NVQ in window cleaning look down on those who haven't hence the Jeremy Kyle comment.
I suppose it might be an ego boost for some. For others it might tip the balance as to whether or not they get a particular contract.
I see no wrong in taking a freely offered course. I'm also doing it with Maths GCSE at evening class. As someone who has only signed on the dole for a few weeks during a 40 year working life and only taken a couple of months sick pay (when I was very ill), I see no harm in taking a little from the system to which I've paid so much.
I do agree that H & S and window cleaning are more about common sense - but with no internet back then, I made a few mistakes that might have been costly.
If you want to make a personal stand against such courses that is your right of course. However, I reckon that you can only say that something is wrong for you - not for everyone. I lost a few days work when I did mine. Any chance of bunging me 50 notes towards the lost time? :)
Paul if you read back through my posts you'll see I'm not advocating everyone join me in not doing free training and I'm not bothered who does it merely that it's not for me.
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Take your head out of his arse Paul ;D ;D ;D
It is painfull to watch :-*
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Can i please have my certificate from that funded course nicely laminated please for my business porfolio i take to potential customers... cos it really does sell the sizzle and seal the deal ;D
If you need a worthless NVQ to sell the sizzle and seal the deal, i feel for you
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My opinion was based on the way you speak about your unskilled job
Did you explain to them you have a van with a hose stuck out of the rear attached to a pump and a brush on a pole, then you push a brush up and down on the glass ?
Just Being realistic, no need to big up a simple job for me.
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I think for some window cleaners these qualifications give there ego a boost. Rightly or wrongly a large percentage of the population views us as well down the pecking order when it comes to jobs and as a result look down on us. It seems the ones who've got an NVQ in window cleaning look down on those who haven't hence the Jeremy Kyle comment.
You could well be right with this post
The people who rave about a NVQ in window cleaning need that extra boost because they feel they need to show they are more than just a window cleaner they are a NVQ qualified window cleaner which might just impress someone somewhere at sometime
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Take your head out of his arse Paul ;D ;D ;D
No way ... its only going deeper... i need that certificate laminated ;D ;D
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I think for some window cleaners these qualifications give there ego a boost. Rightly or wrongly a large percentage of the population views us as well down the pecking order when it comes to jobs and as a result look down on us. It seems the ones who've got an NVQ in window cleaning look down on those who haven't hence the Jeremy Kyle comment.
You could well be right with this post
The people who rave about a NVQ in window cleaning need that extra boost because they feel they need to show they are more than just a window cleaner they are a NVQ qualified window cleaner which might just impress someone somewhere at sometime
Is this course not available in Scotland?
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No the Scots are too switched on to bother with it
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Take your head out of his arse Paul ;D ;D ;D
No way ... its only going deeper... i need that certificate laminated ;D ;D
I guess when the certificate arrives and you win all this prestigious high end work after you show them the NVQ certificate you will be able to pop along to tescos and spend £15.00 on a laminator
Oh what delights that NVQ Will bring you in life
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Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's just James and DG's are wrong 8)
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Clever boy Gareth ;D
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Not really much of a compliment from a numpty :-*
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Got a relevent point to make Gareth? Or are you just hoping people will join in?
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I don't need anyone to join in. I'm just telling you what i think of your opinion. I don't care either way about free or payed for training, but the fact you are always on here slating stuff bothers me. Keyboard warrior grow up.
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So who or what have I slated? Read through my posts on various subjects I'm not in the habit of slating anyone on here even you. Same as most I ask advice when I need, give help if I'm able and voice my opinion. If you don't like how I am then hard luck. I've even managed to have a reasonable debate with Andrew Willis who's opinions are polar opposite of mine. So are you capable of this or are you going to continue making friends on here with your insults and one liners?
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are you still waffling on about this ;D
cmon let it go now...you have been acknowledged ;D
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I thought I'd left it behind Gary but they keep dragging me back in. ;D
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Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's just James and DG's are wrong 8)
So Gareth, here's quote
Imagine an army, police force, fire brigade etc.. without training and credentials and operating in a gung ho unsafe manner??
As a trade / occupation / profession (which i prefer use).. I know where i want to sit in the market place..
are you on the same side of the fence as Paul ?
Do you feel Window Cleaners are in the same need for training as army, police force, fire brigade etc
Now think about it,
Army, they are trained because they are in hostile environments and carry guns
Police, Also often in hostile environments and they have a demanding job
Fire brigade, at every shout they come face to face with Danger
Window Cleaner, Hose out of the back of the van connected to a brush on the end of a pole, pushing brush up and down the glass to wash it
Only a Idiot would put army, police force, fire brigade and window cleaners in the same group ::)
I notice none of the ex-mod have jumped to Paul's defense, well apart from his ' mates who he has spoken to ' ;D
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I think if you want to take your business to the next level then you need to pay for some qualifications.
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I think if you want to take your business to the next level then you need to pay for some qualifications.
;D ;D ;D
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I think if you want to take your business to the next level then you need to pay for some qualifications.
;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
we need a like button
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I think if you want to take your business to the next level then you need to pay for some qualifications.
;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
we need a like button
i wonder how many 'likes' Paul H would have got with his insult to the army, police force, fire brigade etc. ? ?
Imagine an army, police force, fire brigade etc.. without training and credentials and operating in a gung ho unsafe manner??
As a trade / occupation / profession (which i prefer use).. I know where i want to sit in the market place..
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Can't follow all this but I get the idea that there is FREE TRAINING available?
Is so what is it and how do I got about getting it?
Ta.
G.
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Can't follow all this but I get the idea that there is FREE TRAINING available?
Is so what is it and how do I got about getting it?
Ta.
G.
Haha, yes, somewhere underneath all of this there is information about the free training.
If you head to http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php (http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php) you can get the information you need.
The course is run over 4 months (1 day a month) and is fully funded!
:)
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Hi thanks
for the info
Just signed up for the course in Leeds.
That must make me a real saddo!!!!!
Sorry docwindows
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=160308.0
g.
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Hi thanks
for the info
Just signed up for the course in Leeds.
That must make me a real saddo!!!!!
Sorry docwindows
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=160308.0
g.
Hahaha.
Good to have you on board! :)
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I went on the course last year and made loads of money out of it as well, on track to do the same again this year as well
the QCF boys dont even know how either
P.s I aint kidding either.
So thank you, QCF boys
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I went on the course last year and made loads of money out of it as well, on track to do the same again this year as well
the QCF boys dont even know how either
P.s I aint kidding either.
So thank you, QCF boys
care to share what ever your talking about David ?
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I went on the course last year and made loads of money out of it as well, on track to do the same again this year as well
the QCF boys dont even know how either
P.s I aint kidding either.
So thank you, QCF boys
care to share what ever your talking about David ?
Freemasons :-X
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I'm going on the one that starts in December at Birmingham any one else attending?
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I would do it but they will not do scotland, they say they can't get funding, but I managed to put a lad through SVQ=NVQ with funding, so try harder there is funding there to be had, they are just not asking the right people
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I would do it but they will not do scotland, they say they can't get funding, but I managed to put a lad through SVQ=NVQ with funding, so try harder there is funding there to be had, they are just not asking the right people
If you have had some funding before, can you not put them in contact with each other and then you get what you want!
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I would do it but they will not do scotland, they say they can't get funding, but I managed to put a lad through SVQ=NVQ with funding, so try harder there is funding there to be had, they are just not asking the right people
If you have had some funding before, can you not put them in contact with each other and then you get what you want!
I am not in business to do the donkey work for someone else, if they want to do it they should, I managed with little effort to get funding for my employee but not for me, but I dare say if I tried hard enough I could, but they are making money from this not me
good luck to them by the way I think they are doing a smashing job
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I went on the course last year and made loads of money out of it as well, on track to do the same again this year as well
the QCF boys dont even know how either
P.s I aint kidding either.
So thank you, QCF boys
care to share what ever your talking about David ?
Freemasons :-X
possible but unlikely
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Hi Ian
I set next to a clown at the course, got talking to him, turns out he was the son in law of an area manager of a National Cleaning firm.
I asked for the number of his Father in law, called him up, within 1 week I was cleaning a few £k of work a month for them.
1 year later still doing all there work in the Southwest
There was 30 people in that room and I was the only one who got his number
Result, I think
Network, Network, Network
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Hi Ian
I set next to a clown at the course, got talking to him, turns out he was the son in law of an area manager of a National Cleaning firm.
I asked for the number of his Father in law, called him up, within 1 week I was cleaning a few £k of work a month for them.
1 year later still doing all there work in the Southwest
There was 30 people in that room and I was the only one who got his number
Result, I think
Network, Network, Network
:)
Dave, cant agree more, over the last few years one of the most satisfying parts of the job is watching companies network, build relationships, and trade off work on one another, regards Andy
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Hi Ian
I set next to a clown at the course, got talking to him, turns out he was the son in law of an area manager of a National Cleaning firm.
I asked for the number of his Father in law, called him up, within 1 week I was cleaning a few £k of work a month for them.
1 year later still doing all there work in the Southwest
There was 30 people in that room and I was the only one who got his number
Result, I think
Network, Network, Network
spot on :)
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Hi Ian
I set next to a clown at the course, got talking to him, turns out he was the son in law of an area manager of a National Cleaning firm.
I asked for the number of his Father in law, called him up, within 1 week I was cleaning a few £k of work a month for them.
1 year later still doing all there work in the Southwest
There was 30 people in that room and I was the only one who got his number
Result, I think
Network, Network, Network
spot on :)
. . . . . Freemasons 8)