Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: carl_foster on January 10, 2006, 09:25:15 pm
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HI ALL HAD A GOOD DAY TODAY CLEANED 35 HOME TODAY NORMAL 3 BED HOMES MY BEST DAY EVER ME AND MY MATE WHATS THE NORMAL AMOUNT OF WORK CAN BE CLEANED IN A NORMAL 9 TILL 5 DAY ??????
;D I DO ABOUT 15 TO 20 A DAY WHAT ABOUT AL YOU !!! THANKS CARL
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hi karl. same here mate. ive a van mount so setting up and moving can be a pain. but most of my time i dont have 2 set up for 1. but then i can set up and be loaded back up same time as trad, charging more now im using wfp so im still on a winner. macc
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this monday we cleaned 52 3 bed houses upstairs wfp downstairs trad
started 9am finished 1610
this was 2 of us
thanx
gary
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Hi guys.
Its not really about how many for me. It's how much :D
Having said that Using WFP for all upper floor work and all houses where they are leaded or georgian I am now at least 40% faster. If they were all 3 bed semis very close to each other I could knock out around 25 to 30 in 7 to 8 hrs. My work is a bit more spread out than that. Some days I will do only around 10. One particular day of the round I do only 3 in the day but thats one of my best paying days :) ;)
Andrew
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Agree with Andrew, if you are charging well and achieving your daily target pretty easily, you can knock off earlier or keep going for a even better day. If you HAVE to do 30 houses to get your wage in, when you park up at the beginning of the day, those 30 semis look pretty horrendous and demoralising.
On a timescale though...I can do 25 in 6-7 hours
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30 a day average £8.00/£10.00 houses relatively compact 6/7/hrs
wfp up and down
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Well I only did 5 accounts today, started at 9.10am and finished at 2.50pm with a 30 minute break around lunchtime, and another 30 minutes lost as had to pick up daughter and take her into town for her lift to work.
Not that I'm complaining mind....this day of work only comes around once every 8 weeks, and it's my single biggest earning day on the round, the next biggest comes around once a month and thats tomorrow ;D
And that is £100 less than today, which also happens to be £70 more than my average good day ;)
So it really matter not a lick how many you can knock out in a day, the bottom line is how much you can earn in that day :P
Ian
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Still on traditional but moving over to WFP in next couple of days, self build.
Best I 've done 11 houses trad in one day ( bit slow ), so with WFP hope to
better this.
Have warned er in doors that I will be coming home early soon for some
passion ;D ;D ;D
Y, we all wish.
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30 a day average £8.00/£10.00 houses relatively compact 6/7/hrs
wfp up and down
That's a very good average.
I've just had a look and we did 23 houses today. Average sized ones. Wor Lass worked from 9.30 am till 2.00 pm and I worked from 9.30 am till 4.00 pm.
I probably had about an hour's worth of breaks. My last five houses I WFP tops and bottoms.
And we only did 23!
An average of 30 houses a day for one person is extremely good if you can do it.
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30 a day average £8.00/£10.00 houses relatively compact 6/7/hrs
wfp up and down
That's a very good average.
I've just had a look and we did 23 houses today. Average sized ones. Wor Lass worked from 9.30 am till 2.00 pm and I worked from 9.30 am till 4.00 pm.
I probably had about an hour's worth of breaks. My last five houses I WFP tops and bottoms.
And we only did 23!
An average of 30 houses a day for one person is extremely good if you can do it.
250 - 300 a day for 1 person, thats a good earner
'fraid i dont come close to that
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u will matt, mine is creeping.
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you can do that now and then. not all the time.#
So i am assuming one man turns over £1500 in one week .
I doubt it very much ,i have been in this game long enough to know what you can and cant earn.
If the above is true you are in that magic less than 1% of supermen on super prices.
The AVERAGE w/c turns over less than £400 per week before expenses and deductions and that is someone who has been cleaning a long time ,not just starting out
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you can do that now and then. not all the time.#
So i am assuming one man turns over £1500 in one week .
I doubt it very much ,i have been in this game long enough to know what you can and cant earn.
If the above is true you are in that magic less than 1% of supermen on super prices.
The AVERAGE w/c turns over less than £400 per week before expenses and deductions and that is someone who has been cleaning a long time ,not just starting out
sorry mate, not super man but my round is very compact and i do do that every day i go out but not all week.
i bought most of the round off a chap who used ladders and it took him 5 days a week to complete it over 4 weeks.
i now do it in 3 days a week and yes it is true-
excluding over heads i bring in over £600.00 weekly and im not just starting out, been an abseil w/c since1990 and only worked for myself since april. i also worked as workshop manager for ionics in the early days when they first started up production of their wfp systems and saw how much £££ you could make with it so now im giving it a go.
please dont think i was bragging, im just so chuffed i now do something i really love and the rewards are fantastic. i was only trying to show a bit of encouragement to others with regards to wfp.
used to bust my arse sat in a harness getting paid £100.00 per day hanging aroun,getting blown about stuck 20 odd floors up a building for over 8 hrs a day and now lifes much easier working less hrs on more than double that. like i said, not bragging or talking crap. just happy and really quite chuffed.
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£600 well thats a lot less than £1500
Very misleading .i have a very good round myself and know what it takes to earn that type of money.
No wonder so many people are coming into the trade with figures being branded about like that.
I am not having a dig .but i think it is time we stopped talking about money like they have done on the other forum.
You dont see other trades other than plumbers who state there earnings and look what is happening in plumbing know .Thousands of new plumbers affectively stifling prices in some areas.
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30 a day average £8.00/£10.00 houses relatively compact 6/7/hrs
wfp up and down
whats misleading?
didnt say i was out 7 days a week
assumption is the mother of all cock ups
i only work 3 days a week cos thats all ive got, but im working on the other 2.....................
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bit slow with my maths here....
average £8.00/£10.00 per house doesnt work out at £1500.
thats £10.00 per house
would be good but not what ive got............
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bit slow with my maths here....
average £8.00/£10.00 per house doesnt work out at £1500.
thats £10.00 per house
would be good but not what ive got............
30 houses at £8.00 a pop is still £240 per day, thats £720 in the 3 days, which isn't the same as £600 :P
It highly unlikely you could knock out £240 a day every day doing accounts of that size, that's a prodigous work rate.
With the bigger houses I know it can be done, but even that is a chalenge to achieve.
Small domestic work on ordinary estates can become self limiting, they are not all easy access, gates and hedges get in the way, customers talk to you, the phone rings, some day you are not always on top of your game.
The weather plays an important factor too
30 accounts in a day is still doing 5 or 6 an hour, don't forget, your working day may well be 6 or 7 hours long, but you won't actually be working continuously for that time.
Time will be lost moving from account to acoidiot, sometimes you'll need to go to the loo, as I said before, you also have to talk to customers, or write out invoices, eat food.
Genesis_windows may well do 30 houses a day on average (which also means doing considerably more than that on occasions, as well as fewer on others) but very, very few will be able to work at that pace on that size account.
If you are out for roughly 7 hours a day and you can do roughly the equivalent of 20 £8.00 houses in a day you are doing damn well.
Any window cleaner that can average £100 per day every day will also be above the average.
Thats 26k per year.
How many of you have submitted accounts to the tax man that come close to that?? (one man bands only)
The average income for window cleaners across the country is apparenty £17,500.
The potential is there to earn very good money indeed, newcomers to window cleaning reading the various threads on the forum mustn't get too carried away with the possibilities!!
Ian
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Ian you say it so much better than me .that is what i was trying to say ,you good man
Genesis ,mis-understanding ,i was aiming the replies at new people who think by some misleading information that window cleaning leads to a pot of gold.
The average wage for window cleaners near me is about £300 a week ,well the one man bands anyhow.I know because i talk to them.
I earn more than that as i employ my wife and another worker and have just took my son out this week.
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The average wage for window cleaners near me is about £300 a week.
All that work, in the rain, wind, burning sun for £300 for 40 hrs?
I'm not becoming a window cleaner!!
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not every window cleaner can work 40 hours a week due to
Too wet, too cold, too windy ,too hot
Myself personally only ever work no more than 25 hours a week.
I used to work more than 40 hours ,i just cant do it any more.
After 7 years you start to lack a bit of motivation especially in the winter .
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After 7 years you start to lack a bit of motivation especially in the winter .
I know that feeling Dave!
Just closed down 1 business as it was working without enjoying it and I didnt know what to spend the money on. (I'm not a wanting person, not into labels, i dont buy things for the sake of it, I'm not money orientated really). pointless doing it then.
Present job I have done on and off since I was 19 yrs old, thats 18 yrs. But have been doing it permanently for the last 9 years. Its fun and I get to flirt alot & have verbals with the customers. But the best bit is I work very few hours and the pay is ok ;)
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I get to flirt alot & have verbals with the customers. But the best bit is I work very few hours and the pay is ok ;)
So you're a window cleaner?
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If it were not for the fact that i now employ people .I would of jacked it all in by now as i could not bear the job anymore .It is so tedious doing all them hours I end up going stir crazy unless i am on a big commercial job which i dont mind doing
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I get to flirt alot & have verbals with the customers. But the best bit is I work very few hours and the pay is ok ;)
So you're a window cleaner?
I'm so not! Your working conditions are atrocious! ;) All those nagging old women - how do you do it. I admire Window Cleaners. It must be so stressful.
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Its fun and I get to flirt alot & have verbals with the customers. But the best bit is I work very few hours and the pay is ok ;)
Well, if you're not a window cleaner, what are you? I was friendly with a (modified by mod; sorry) young lady of the night, in Germany who described her occupation very similarly. ;)
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ok , your right , im wrong.
very sorry, i obviously dont do 30 houses a day, what on earth was i thinking, better re-write all of my sheets to reflect that.
sorry to have mis-led reveryone into thinking we make a decent living at this game.
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now now then calm down. you are in the top 1% like i said. Good luck to you
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If it were not for the fact that i now employ people .I would of jacked it all in by now as i could not bear the job anymore .It is so tedious doing all them hours I end up going stir crazy unless i am on a big commercial job which i dont mind doing
Dave are you really serious or is that tongue in cheek mate?
Andrew
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Deadly serious after well its 8 years now .i only carry on because i know have staff.
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Sorry to hear that Dave.
I am only a newbie so haven,t reached that stage.
You are gonna hate this but I really respect you. ;) No frills.. tell it like it is etc.
Fact is that Wc,ing isnt an easy way to make a living. ( Whatever that living may be) Since becoming a window cleaner I can honestly say that except for the cowboys I have never met a more down to earth and decent bunch.
I am not suckin up.. it's a fact.
Cheers
Andrew
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I'm in my 19th year!!
I've been up the ladder and down again
Pj
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Its fun and I get to flirt alot & have verbals with the customers. But the best bit is I work very few hours and the pay is ok ;)
Well, if you're not a window cleaner, what are you? I was friendly with a (modified by mod; sorry) young lady of the night, in Germany who described her occupation very similarly. ;)
Hmm.....bet you'd like someone describing your wife like that huh Tosh? >:(
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Sorry to hear that Dave.
I am only a newbie so haven,t reached that stage.
You are gonna hate this but I really respect you. ;) No frills.. tell it like it is etc.
Fact is that Wc,ing isnt an easy way to make a living. ( Whatever that living may be) Since becoming a window cleaner I can honestly say that except for the cowboys I have never met a more down to earth and decent bunch.
I am not suckin up.. it's a fact.
Cheers
Andrew
I cant take any more of these compliments especially from my mate Andrew. ;D
My true true friend
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thanks guy for the info was great ;D keep up the good work guys!!!!!!!!!1
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bit slow with my maths here....
average £8.00/£10.00 per house doesnt work out at £1500.
thats £10.00 per house
would be good but not what ive got............
30 houses at £8.00 a pop is still £240 per day, thats £720 in the 3 days, which isn't the same as £600 :P
It highly unlikely you could knock out £240 a day every day doing accounts of that size, that's a prodigous work rate.
With the bigger houses I know it can be done, but even that is a chalenge to achieve.
Small domestic work on ordinary estates can become self limiting, they are not all easy access, gates and hedges get in the way, customers talk to you, the phone rings, some day you are not always on top of your game.
The weather plays an important factor too
30 accounts in a day is still doing 5 or 6 an hour, don't forget, your working day may well be 6 or 7 hours long, but you won't actually be working continuously for that time.
Time will be lost moving from account to acothingy, sometimes you'll need to go to the loo, as I said before, you also have to talk to customers, or write out invoices, eat food.
Genesis_windows may well do 30 houses a day on average (which also means doing considerably more than that on occasions, as well as fewer on others) but very, very few will be able to work at that pace on that size account.
If you are out for roughly 7 hours a day and you can do roughly the equivalent of 20 £8.00 houses in a day you are doing damn well.
Any window cleaner that can average £100 per day every day will also be above the average.
Thats 26k per year.
How many of you have submitted accounts to the tax man that come close to that?? (one man bands only)
The average income for window cleaners across the country is apparenty £17,500.
The potential is there to earn very good money indeed, newcomers to window cleaning reading the various threads on the forum mustn't get too carried away with the possibilities!!
Ian
sorry to go over old ground again but thought i had to put the record straight.
i go out out 3 days a week at the moment as im able to complete my round weekly in that time.
every day i do at least 30 houses,yes 30. some days in the month its 36.
i have a very compact round and with the wfp it only takes me on average 8 mins to complete a house. i use a cheque system which ipost through customers doors who are mainly all out a work(which makes it quicker still)and very often i clean 6 or 7 houses without moving my van.
i have been using wfp for over 10 years and feel that i know what im doing.
my original post that seemed to attract alot of doubting critisism was only intended to provide a bit of encouragement to new wfp users and wasn't meant to be a "big fish story".
potential earnings of £1000.00/£1500.00 weekly if you are organised and carry a large enough volume of water to cut down on re-fill times are not out of reach of most people nor reserved for the top "1% of supermen".
a good positive attitude and work ethic help as the only place you'll find success before hard work is in the dictionary(M.B.Smith).
God Bless you all.
I am now stepping down from my soap box.
Russell
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Well put Russell!
I myself at the moment only clean 3 days a week.
When I canvassed I only canvassed selected houses, which are easy to do and don't take very long. But, because they are big houses I charge between £20 - £25 and can easily do 8 in a day. So, I average £160 - £200 a day, 3 days a week.
There is also no reason why I couldn't go out and find more work the same and work 5 days a week which would mean me earning between £800 and £1000 per week - every week!
Remember - The more you put it, the more you get out!
The hardest part was building the work up... So for anyone looking to come into the game and start earning good money straight away should think twice - It's a hard slog.
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thanks scs,
well put about it not happening over night, but it does happen.
newcomers wont be earning shed loads at the begining but time, effort, discipline and choosing the right accounts and not just taking anything will set you up for a very good income long term.
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in agreement lads...it`s there if you put the correct groundwork in ;)
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well i dont know what all of you do! but i earn £20 per house in fulham, london. I do about 25 houses every day. you guy's dont know what money is!
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Well I do 40 houses at £12 each per 7 hour day, 5 days a week come rain or shine, snow or hail.
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Well I do 60 a day and ask the customers to leave the cheques blank, I ask them for a bank statement and fill out the amount so that it takes their overdraft up to the limit.
You guy's don't know how to charge!!
;) ;) ;) ;)
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Well I'm still a novice. I do 4 houses a day and I pay them for the privilege :D
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Russell,
Steady on dude :o
Not disputing the fact that you can knock out that many houses a day, only that very, very few will ever achieve that or anything like it.
It can be done, of course it can; but it is unrealistic for the average person to think he is going to whack out work at that rate.
It is also possible to run 100m in under 10 seconds, but some people could train till they're blue in the face and they'd never achieve that runing downhill with a tailwind ;D
A few months back there was another window cleaner (a trad one this time) who knocked out up to 6 or 7 houses an hour, no one believed him either at first, until a couple who had seen him work vouched for him.
As a general rule, most window cleaners will be able to cope with a reasonable level of comfort with 3-4 standard houses an hour.
Or more likely around 20 or so standard houses a day.
Quite often it will be below that.
Not many of us will be averaging above £100 a day, and you want to check your true average then take a look at what you have submitted to the tax man for your year's turnover.
There are very, very few earning 25k and above.
The sky really is the limit if you have what it takes, when I first got my WFP, there was a fairly local firm who had been going a couple of years and had been doing WFP for no more than 18-24 months.
Within that time they had grown to the point of having 3 or 4 fully equipped vans and a turnover that was in the stratosphere. They were also on the point of getting and equipping yet another van.
So it can be done.......but not many of us will do it!!
Remember that plasterer's labourer several years ago?
He made the papers because he was earning so much money.
It's also possible to clean 3 windows in under 10 seconds.........but there is only one man in the world who can do it 8)
Ian
Oh,
In mod mode now, if the replies are now going to degenerate into one line wisecracks, it is going to be locked.
Ian
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wages will vary all over the country clean the amount of windows you want to clean and what gives you the wages you want be happy not knacked
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ian,
i appreciate what you are saying but i cant my get head round the fact that im portrayed as billy whizz on anphetamines going round at the speed of light!
i roll a cigarette in between doing most houses and stroll around whistling! i never really feel like im working at a really hard pace at all although i know ive been at work when i go home and sit down as im sure most of us do.
my houses arent anything out of the ordinary, just standard style semis with a few big ass 50 quidders scattered around so i dont feel like what i do is out of reach of anybody.
£200.00 a day over 6/8 hrs is well within the reach of anybody on this forum providing they have enough water (at least 650ltrs) and enough customers.
i welcome anyone to come and see for themselves.
i have a friend of mine who has been learning the wfp game with me and helping out every now and then to earn and learn, hes been doing a few days a week for about 6 months now and has been building up his own customer base.
this week he went out for me on his own as due to a bike accident many years ago i have been off with a trapped nerve in my back that flared up last friday and he managed to do £285.00 between 9am and 4pm yesterday!
today however, he managed to hit a post in my van and knackered my sliding door( i digress but thought i would include that to embaress him!)
the point im making for the last time you will be glad to know is that those sorts of earnings are not limited to the elite.
and as for tax returns, wont go there but lets just say that if £17,500 per annum is average for a w/c then i dont know ANY average w/cs and i know quite a few.
May fortuitous blessings rain upon each and every one of you in their multitudes (even cavemen like squeeky ;D ;))
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Well I'm still a novice. I do 4 houses a day and I pay them for the privilege :D
:P
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ian 10.5
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Earnings I think will vary from area to area, but those figures are from the Inland Revenue apparently.
And YOU ARE BILLY WHIZZ! Man that is a truly flying to knock out that many houses most days, and I don't dispute you do it for a minute.
I'm well aware of how quick WFP is (or can be in the right hands) and no matter how easy you may find it to knock out so many houses in a single day, few on here will achieve it.
Ian
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Well I do 40 houses at £12 each per 7 hour day, 5 days a week come rain or shine, snow or hail.
In case anyone took this seriously it was a joke - a poor one - but a joke nevertheless.
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Where's the mountain Malc? Is it of personal interest? Just interested as i like to climb.
Ben
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Earnings I think will vary from area to area, but those figures are from the Inland Revenue apparently.
And YOU ARE BILLY WHIZZ! Man that is a truly flying to knock out that many houses most days, and I don't dispute you do it for a minute.
I'm well aware of how quick WFP is (or can be in the right hands) and no matter how easy you may find it to knock out so many houses in a single day, few on here will achieve it.
Ian
with muscles like yours in that picture you should be able to do 7 times as much!! ;D
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this topic has made me really feel like i am doing something wrong.
all of you doing 20 plus house a day, now don't get me wrong i am no slouch , but i could not do that many in a day i am sure and if i did would make min 250 quid, but cannot see me doing this. Maybe i am too fussy about the quality of my work, i don't know, but when outsiders read this it is no wonder lots are having a go, i certanly have not found it an easy road and sometimes motivation is non existentalthough have every intention of building quality round with even more quality customers.
in my experiance ther is lots of work to be had but its not easy to get i think now that after 10 months in i am still looking at at least another 12 before i get a living that i want from this but to be honest i have no intention of flogging myself stupid doing 20 plus houses a day as this is not the reason for being self employed. Ten houses a day at 20 quid , well thats my aim just takes a while longer
ANYBODY STARTING OUT NOW SHOULD REMEMBER THAT A LOT OF THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN GOING A GOOD FEW YEARS AND FAIR PLAY TO THEM ALL AS IT IS VERY HARD GRAFT AND I DON'T MEAN THE CLEANING WINDOWS PART
cheers simb0
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Don't worry some on here could win the Booker Prize!
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Hi All,
We tend to look more at quality and service rather than cleaning alot just to rake in the money; although we expect everyone to clean at least 12 in a day.
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for me 12 -15 max i think keeping to my quality, never had 1 complaint yet and all frames sparkle too prob will be quicker wfp though
cheers simb0
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For me i clean between 10 and 15 a day.
Most of my work is spread out a bit but well priced and i aim for quaility than quantity.
I know i can do a lot more as years ago i used to do 25 - 30 a day.
But they never paid as much and it was all glass only and all next to each other.
Paul
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cheers glad i am not the only one, its funny really somedays can be an easy 100+ day others a hard 70-80 but then again i am relly still a beginer
cheers simb0
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Yeah, I'm the same. When I work on my own I manage 150+ houses.
Who ever posted 50 a day, yeah right on.
Seriously though, as posted by Tosh or Mr Ian Giles, it's the profit.
I am not interested at 48 at bashing away doing as many houses as I can. I prefer a more sedate approach. It's fine when younger to go hell for leather but at some point you cannot just do that anymore. Also, the chances of an accident increases with the determination to 'get it done'. As well as that, in the end, you'll just burn out because at some point, you won't keep the speed up.
It's best to work smart if you ask me.
When I have worked on my own I've done 10 to 12 houses a day at good prices. Maybe £180 to £250 for the days work and no serious running around like a mad man. Just a reasonably early start after a decent breakfast, a measured pace and a good lunch break.
Cheers