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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Platinum on June 23, 2010, 08:25:21 pm

Title: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 23, 2010, 08:25:21 pm
Rnd 1 ) Cleaned fortnightly takes £356 per clean taking two men one day a fortnight. Most pay on the day with little collection. These houses are terraced houses (Fronts Only ) priced @ £2.50 per front per clean. There are also three bed semis priced @ £6 all round every fortnight. The round is very compact and close to the A580 East Lancs Rd

Rnd 2)Mostly terraced houses clean traditionally every fortnight. Takes £237 per fortnight taking two men around 4-5hrs a fortnight to clean . They are terraced fronts priced @ £2 a front with a number of 3 bed semis priced @ £5-6 all round every fortnight. This round is also very compact and also near the A580. Both rounds are within 2mins of each other and well worth a viewing.

Monthly Turnover £1186

Asking Price SOLD

If your serious about building your round further contact me
platinumcontractsnorthwest@live.co.uk

07523 942 502

Regards
Danny
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: geoffreyspecht on June 24, 2010, 10:05:03 pm
your prices r rubbish mate,i charging £6 for a three bedroom huse twety years ago.         
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 24, 2010, 11:08:52 pm
These are good prices for the north west.

Thats £12 per month from one customer for cleaning 5 windows ;D

Danny
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: mikecam on June 24, 2010, 11:17:19 pm
These are good prices for the north west.

£6 for a semi is a good price in the North West? Don't think so. I wouldn't clean a semi for £6 let alone buy work at that price.
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Ste M on June 25, 2010, 03:40:12 am
Good prices though if you can clean 5or 6 an hour an you have loads of them in one street. I don't understand some people on here chargin silly money for houses an then moanin when someone comes along an takes the work off them for a fair price, you all say its undercutting! No it isn't its charging what you believe is the 'right' price
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: AuRavelling79 on June 25, 2010, 08:03:42 am
Good prices though if you can clean 5or 6 an hour an you have loads of them in one street. I don't understand some people on here chargin silly money for houses an then moanin when someone comes along an takes the work off them for a fair price, you all say its undercutting! No it isn't its charging what you believe is the 'right' price


Spot on! A compact round can be a good earner even off of a low price - this is fortnightly remember - just a quick wipe over, even trad. (And a few bathroom windows missed eh?  ;))

Imagine if you could get them on wfp - fantastic. (Trouble is you've got to get past luddite attitudes; and when you're a knuckledragging, inarticulate neanderthal that ain't easy! I know - cuz I am that missing link! ;D)
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: chopsie on June 25, 2010, 08:14:46 am
at first glance they look like low prices, But look at how much he can earn working 4 days every month £1186 even if just one man does them and it takes 6-8 days its still bloody good money.
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: dazmond on June 25, 2010, 08:17:24 am
if the round is very compact then youll do ok even at £5-£6 per house.also its easy to collect your money and you find you pick up lots of extra work like conny roofs/fascia cleaning etc.

i have 2 very big estates very compact and charge a little more and do ok.its good solid "bread and butter "work!

i will be moving towards bigger residential/medium commercial jobs though now im wfp!! ;) ;D ;D

regards

dazmond
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: ian1972 on June 25, 2010, 07:07:52 pm
Thought u sold evrrything months ago danny?have u started the canversing bit yet?
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: geoffreyspecht on June 25, 2010, 10:51:40 pm
These are good prices for the north west.

Thats £12 per month from one customer for cleaning 5 windows ;D

Danny
i live in llandudno n wales,i charge at least £!0 for a three bedroom house. i live down the road from u
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: richard jagger on June 26, 2010, 06:33:36 am
I think the prices are crap. The day were we can think compact are over its a misnomer. Why do you guys think you should work cheap because its compact round. That is your good luck not your customers that you were lucky enough to build a compact round. Saving in costs are called profit not cheap prices. Its time to grow up as businessmen. This is the 21 century. Its this line of thought that stops us earning respect and becoming a profession. I know you will all shoot me down , just remember we are all in the same team Mates. We don’t play for the customers team. WE work for them not with them.
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Dave Willis on June 26, 2010, 08:29:33 am
His prices will be crap. His intention on here was to undercut everybody a short time ago. His plan was to build a round as fast as possible. I guess this is what he's done and is planning on making a living selling rounds?
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: birdymiller on June 27, 2010, 09:03:06 pm
These are good prices for the north west.

Thats £12 per month from one customer for cleaning 5 windows ;D

Danny
i live in llandudno n wales,i charge at least £!0 for a three bedroom house. i live down the road from u

So geoff you charge £10 for a three bed house that takes 10 mins to clean, so you can do £60 an hour. Thats a fair wage!
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Sean Dyer on June 27, 2010, 11:17:09 pm
I think the prices are crap. The day were we can think compact are over its a misnomer. Why do you guys think you should work cheap because its compact round. That is your good luck not your customers that you were lucky enough to build a compact round. Saving in costs are called profit not cheap prices. Its time to grow up as businessmen. This is the 21 century. Its this line of thought that stops us earning respect and becoming a profession. I know you will all shoot me down , just remember we are all in the same team Mates. We don’t play for the customers team. WE work for them not with them.

I know what you are saying mate and imo has prices are on the cheap side but there is something to be said for pricing reasonably to get compact work
if you price high you will keep less custys then your round isnt as compact whereas charging that £1 or 2 less might mean you have 4 in a row instead of 2

saves time and effort travelling/moving etc
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: mikecam on June 27, 2010, 11:31:33 pm
at first glance they look like low prices, But look at how much he can earn working 4 days every month £1186 even if just one man does them and it takes 6-8 days its still bloody good money.
Hi mate,if round 1 takes 2 men 1 day a fortnight then it takes one man 2 days a fortnight.
 If round two takes two men 4-5 hours then it takes one man 8 to 10 hours a fortnight, which will equate to 2 days realistically. So there is four days a fortnight to do the work, the work per fortnight is  237 + 356 =593 for 3 and a half to four days work.
 Now look at the prices. Round one £356, terraced at £2.50 a pop, well 100 of them will get you £250 and at £6 a pop roughly 19 semis wil get you to the £356 mark.
Round two, £237 and at £2 a pop you'll need 100 terraced, and at £5-£6 a semi it maybe 8 semis to do.
 So a rough guess of 200 terraced fronts and maybe 27 semis to do £593? Of course i'm guessing and have no idea how the ratio of terraced to semis equates. But i do know how long it takes to do 100 terraced fronts and i know how long it takes to do 10 semis,as does anyone looking here.
 I realise that its all largeley academic, and however, £593 for four days work is good money of that there is little doubt. I would only take issue of his claim that £6 for a semi in the Northwest is good money. Its not, its pretty much average to low for a trad fortnightly cleaner.
 To put that into perspective i charge and get £7 for a terraced front, albeit monthly.
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 28, 2010, 07:30:19 am
Mike

Your ratio is near enough spot on. The semis are only 2 bed semis and all done without frames cleaned.

They are good enough sold now. The guy is using WFP as recons himself and his son can clean these two rounds in one day.
Another thing ive learntt from him is that if i ever go WFP again to always use fanjets rather than pencil jets which dont work as i found

Regards
Danny
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: mikecam on June 28, 2010, 01:34:04 pm
Mike

Your ratio is near enough spot on. The semis are only 2 bed semis and all done without frames cleaned.

They are good enough sold now. The guy is using WFP as recons himself and his son can clean these two rounds in one day.
Another thing ive learntt from him is that if i ever go WFP again to always use fanjets rather than pencil jets which dont work as i found

Regards
Danny
I have trouble with pencils at times too Dan, they should make it the law that all streets have to have the same type glass so no need to change  :)
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: dazmond on June 28, 2010, 02:25:54 pm
danny you said a while back that you always clean frames so the custys dont  benefit from you going wfp!so you reverted back to trad!!

im sorry mate but i would have no dealings with you as i simply dont believe a word you say!!nevermind all the aggro you caused people when you were just called "platinum" with your undercutting nonsense!!

dazmond
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 28, 2010, 09:08:50 pm
Daz

Thats fine i dont plan on having any dealings with you either. I am not selling them rounds that i clean the frames on. The rounds i am selling are sold. Im glad im not having any dealing with you mate you would just tell me what you were doing and then tell me again and buy the time you make your mind up id have aged.

For everyone else except Dazmond who has been talking about going wfp since the millenium i have changed my views on Wfp. I think it is faster and if i had the chioce to be trad or wfp id choose wfp.

Whats change my mind is seeing the pencil jets ruin my customers window and wind me up i sold my system and got back to trad cleaning.
Since the buyer of my rounds said he was going wfp on the rounds from the start i advised against it and he told me his story which is similar to mine. He went wfp then back to trad then once he realised his mistake back again

He bought the cheapest system with pencil jets and got bummed.

Fanjets should be made standard on all poles available to buy because it is false advertising to say wfp leaves windows spotless when with pencil jets fitted as standard the results are rubbish. Id also be looking for the lightest poles and mircobore reels.

Daz i hope you have pencil jets

Danny
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 28, 2010, 09:15:27 pm
PS i thought the benifits of WFP were mostly health and safety issues?

Daz good luck with your trolley ;)
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Frankybadboy on June 28, 2010, 09:22:41 pm
well i dont have any problems with pencil jets ,so you must be the problem danny boy. ;)
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 28, 2010, 09:26:10 pm
Franky

Its the coverage the fanjets give when rinsing and it uses less water in my opinion plus a better finsh.

You dont need to go side to side when rinsing and the speed of clean is greatly increased.

Everyone to their own i suppose

Danny
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: mci services on June 28, 2010, 10:36:33 pm
they both do the same job but yes pencils take a bit more effort if you arent sure what you are doing, so in a way i agree with danny

i also dont see much wrong with his prices, i would disagree with the asking price but if they sell well he is right and i am wrong simples really
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: A & J Owen Window Cleaning on June 28, 2010, 10:59:41 pm
compact areas are a good earner mates pricing a bit low but not that bad how long does it take per house mate
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: Platinum on June 28, 2010, 11:16:05 pm
Never really timed it.

Im quick on ladders anyway but there are plenty who are faster than me. Think the time it takes depends on the individual cleaner.

Im cleaning them myself for the last time tomorrow so if i remember ill try and time myself

Danny
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: geoffreyspecht on June 30, 2010, 11:37:03 pm
These are good prices for the north west.

Thats £12 per month from one customer for cleaning 5 windows ;D

Danny
i live in llandudno n wales,i charge at least £!0 for a three bedroom house. i live down the road from u

So geoff you charge £10 for a three bed house that takes 10 mins to clean, so you can do £60 an hour. Thats a fair wage!
Title: Re: Round For Sale - St Helens
Post by: geoffreyspecht on June 30, 2010, 11:45:52 pm
These are good prices for the north west.

Thats £12 per month from one customer for cleaning 5 windows ;D

Danny
i live in llandudno n wales,i charge at least £!0 for a three bedroom house. i live down the road from u

So geoff you charge £10 for a three bed house that takes 10 mins to clean, so you can do £60 an hour. Thats a fair wage!
on some commercial jobs i can earn £60+ per hour but on domestic i can earn £200+per day if i want to but i only work part time now