Posted by ALEXDH (ALEXDH), 23 November 2003
I have it on good authority alot of you chaps use the ultimate master.Just playing with me ninja , sorry if i have not replied to calls could not hear the phone.
Nieghbours love me at the minute
How do you chaps get best results from the ultimate master, it says you can use it as a prespray as well, i take this needs to be sprayed and agitated whilst at 50 c ? mmm
Side comment but
amazed the difference a really good agitation makes to the end result. Dont laugh im learning. 
Whats you tool method on stairs are you quite ruff with tool agitating whilst on the cleaning stage or have you done the groundwork to just stroke your tool professionally in nice neat strokes.
Ill be getting my proper training soon but want to find out as much as possible.
Thanks gents
Alex
Posted by MB (Mark Betts), 23 November 2003
ALEXPre vac carpet
spray down u/m with your wand direct from machine.
Agitate wit rotary, sebo or brush what ever u want.
Extract as normal with u/m.
Afterwards any stains remaining use your appropriate spotter and extract , but to be honest the only spotters i use these days are Citrus Gel and Alltecs Tea and coffe remover.
Stairs.
Go to your local Horse and Rider shop and buy a brush they use for grooming horses with. Only cost a couple of quid literally.
Spray stairs from top to bottom.
Go back to top and use the brush to agitate.
You will find u get a lot more pressure when using a hand tool so u dont need as much agitation.
Normally one pass and a dry pass does it for me.
Ta
Mark
Yes is is designed for use at 50c but to be honest i use it at higher temps and no adverse effects.
Posted by Fintan_Coll (Fintan_Coll), 23 November 2003
I do the same as Mark. I have used many different powders over the years but must honestly say Ultimate Master is the best I have found so far.Posted by Cloverleaf (Cloverleaf), 24 November 2003
I have just started using u/m and pre spraying from wand with good results.Saves time on filling sprayer and pumping up etc.
John
Posted by Tony_Browning (Tony_Browning), 24 November 2003
HowdeeI also Use UM...the only thing that irritates me is the build up of scum it leaves in machine/buckets etc...
other than that a it's very effective and good value for money...I use it in conjunction with alltecs odour clear..on every job..because the smell stays in the carpets for days after you've cleaned.
I do prespray with apump up rather than my wand.
Rgds
Tony
Posted by Ken_Wainwright (Ken Wainwright), 24 November 2003
AlexYou've got sound advice here on how to use Ultimate Master. You can find out more by following the links at www.alltec.co.uk
I've used U/M myself to great effect in the past. The temperature restrictions on the product are, I gather, to do with the self neutralising properties it has. I was told that, in use, U/M has a pH of about 10 which self neutralises down to approx pH8.0 post clean. Elevated temperatures will cancel out this property even though it may clean better at higher temperatures. The reason I stopped using it was because, with continued use on say a stain, it will whiten the carpet. U/M contains whiteners according to the Alltec web site. Could this be the reason the product has lost it's Woolsafe Approved status?
With the knowledge of the one restriction mentioned, I feel you will be able to use Ultimate Master to great effect and achieve superb results. If the carpet is mega dirty, you can just use an appropriate pre-spray and continue with U/M in your HWE tank, subject to the usual tests and safeguards.
Safe and happy cleaning
Ken
Posted by Dave_Lee (Dave_Lee), 24 November 2003
Ken,I didnt know U/M had lost its Woolsafe Approval. As to the reason. I understand many "Approved, products with regards to all sorts of applications, in order to remain "Approved" the manufacturer has to renew annually with a hefty fee! I am not saying this is the case with "Woosafe" as quite simply I dont know. However this practise does bring into question the ethics of such schemes and the reliability of "Approval" in the first place. I know at least one manufacturer who felt uncomfortable with these ethics and dropped one of his products from the "Approved" list of an otherwise seamingly Authorative organisation.
Dave.
Posted by Ken_Wainwright (Ken Wainwright), 25 November 2003
DaveWoolsafe has withdrawn accreditation for Ultimate Master, Traffic Lane Cleaner and Master Stain Remover.
After speaking to Woolsafe, I can confirm that the information you were given about ongoing fees for approved products is correct. But only to a point. When a product is originally tested, it is quite involved and costly to test. But although the manufacturers are fully aware of the parameters, there is still a relatively high failure rate, so the products are taken back and re-formulated or approval is abandoned. However, on an annual basis, Woolsafe will take in a batch of product and carry out less intensive tests to make sure that the product has remained within the parameters as it's quite easy to have variations in the raw products etc. They charge a fee for this, but to quote Woolsafe it is "less than half the original fee". There seems to be more and more Woolsafe approved products becoming available, so the system must be viable and cost effective for most manufacturers. There are now offices in Australia and USA so the word is spreading.
Safe and happy cleaning
Ken
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